G20.net's May Raffle - 1:12 Nissan Silvia S-15

[dsigns]

G20.net's May Raffle!
Prize: 1:12 Nissan Silvia S-15

http://www.g20.net/gallery/data/3073/1536s15.gif

1:12 Extreme Tuner Red Nissan Silvia S-15
• Huge 1:12 scale diecast metal model (approx 400mm long)
• Opening doors and clear see through bonnet.
• Button under the car to turn on lights; tail & headlights, interior lights and underside lights.
• Chromed mag wheels, big rear wing, front spoiler and side skirts, big bore exhaust pipe, see through bonnet displays the turbo charged motor.
• Interior has racing seats, nitro bottles and heaps of big speakers.

How do I win?
Glad you asked. Simply purchase any amount of tickets using the paypal form above. Once the selling of tickets is complete, you will be emailed a random number or numbers depending on how many tickets you purchased. Be sure to include your G20.net username in the text field above.

How is the winner picked?
We will be using a random number generator to generate numbers for everyone, then again to choose a random winning number. The winner will be picked and posted June 4th.

How long will the raffle last?
This raffle is limited to 30 tickets. Purchase your tickets now before they sell out!

The winner of the S-15 is - trbobrk!

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[dsigns]

Raffle Closed - All Tickets Were Sold

[Yahnozha]

Here are your numbers....

MrFancypants 24
MrFancypants 18
MrFancypants 30
MrFancypants 21
MrFancypants 20
MrFancypants 11
MrFancypants 9
MrFancypants 1
MrFancypants 29
MrFancypants 12

p10bostonian 2

trbobrk 14
trbobrk 7
trbobrk 15
trbobrk 25
trbobrk 26
trbobrk 3
trbobrk 23
trbobrk 5
trbobrk 16
trbobrk 22

blck99g20t 10
blck99g20t 17
blck99g20t 28
blck99g20t 4
blck99g20t 19
blck99g20t 6
blck99g20t 27
blck99g20t 8
blck99g20t 13

[Yahnozha]

and the winning number is 22

Congrats Colin!!!!

All numbers were generated by

www.random.org

[blck99g20t]

got a quick question.....how many tickets do you show i bought?....or was there no enough tickets? or did trbobrk get to them first?...just wondering

[dsigns]

Originally posted by blck99g20t
got a quick question.....how many tickets do you show i bought?....or was there no enough tickets? or did trbobrk get to them first?...just wondering


There was only 9 tickets left, but you bought 10. You will be refunded $2.

[MrFancypants]

Pat you bastard I think you rigged it!

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

Help Im being opressed!


- Greg -

[kei]

just a thought.....if the posting of these raffles give advantage to the people in the east coast, i feel the west coast sponsors are losing out. maybe there should be a scheduled time on when these raffles are posted so every sponsor will have a chance at it?

Kei

[blck99g20t]

Originally posted by dsigns



There was only 9 tickets left, but you bought 10. You will be refunded $2.


Thanks for clearing that up.... :thumbsup:

[dsigns]

Originally posted by kei
just a thought.....if the posting of these raffles give advantage to the people in the east coast, i feel the west coast sponsors are losing out. maybe there should be a scheduled time on when these raffles are posted so every sponsor will have a chance at it?

Kei


Uh...no matter how you look at it, both east/west have the same amount of hours to purchase these tickets.

[trbobrk]

Originally posted by MrFancypants
Pat you bastard I think you rigged it!

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

Help Im being opressed!
Bloodly peasent!

Originally posted by kei
just a thought.....if the posting of these raffles give advantage to the people in the east coast, i feel the west coast sponsors are losing out.

I'm about as west as you get without falling into the water.

[P10Bostonian]

holy shit thatz a quick raffle! i think we set a new record. lol. is this gonna be the only May Raffle? or is there more coming soon?

[dsigns]

Originally posted by P10Bostonian
holy shit thatz a quick raffle! i think we set a new record. lol. is this gonna be the only May Raffle? or is there more coming soon?


Good question, we didnt expect it to go this fast...

[kei]

Originally posted by dsigns
Uh...no matter how you look at it, both east/west have the same amount of hours to purchase these tickets.

It's not really the amount of hours I'm talking about. If the actual thread is posted at 9:00am EST, the people on the west coast would have to wake up at 6 in the morning to purchase the raffle tickets. After posting my first reply, I realized the thread had been posted at around 9:00 PST.
Kei

[dsigns]

Originally posted by kei
It's not really the amount of hours I'm talking about. If the actual thread is posted at 9:00am EST, the people on the west coast would have to wake up at 6 in the morning to purchase the raffle tickets. After posting my first reply, I realized the thread had been posted at around 9:00 PST.
Kei


I have posted both of the raffles so far and Im on the west coast. I dont get in to work til 8:30 (when Im on time) and its usually at LEAST an hour after that so there isnt any advantage for a specific coast. ;)

I do agree tho that we should set a specific time to post the raffles. Ill talk with Pat and we'll figure something out. As I said, we didnt expect the tickets to sell the way we did or we would have thought about this sooner.

[kei]

Originally posted by dsigns
I have posted both of the raffles so far and Im on the west coast. I dont get in to work til 8:30 (when Im on time) and its usually at LEAST an hour after that so there isnt any advantage for a specific coast. ;)

I do agree tho that we should set a specific time to post the raffles. Ill talk with Pat and we'll figure something out. As I said, we didnt expect the tickets to sell the way we did or we would have thought about this sooner.

No worries:p . The raffle idea is new and I just wanted to make a suggestion so everyone has a chance at the raffles. Thanks for listening.

Kei

[Yahnozha]

Originally posted by MrFancypants
Pat you bastard I think you rigged it!

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

Help Im being opressed!

Ill opress you buddy...with my concrete vibrator (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=41053).. . :lol:

Originally posted by kei
just a thought.....if the posting of these raffles give advantage to the people in the east coast, i feel the west coast sponsors are losing out. maybe there should be a scheduled time on when these raffles are posted so every sponsor will have a chance at it?


You know this is a tough one, not everyone has access at all times, so no matter when we post the raffle, there are those that are gonna be in school, on the road, at work, at home, etc..etc... Id have to agree with D, it really dosent matter when its posted.

Originally posted by dsigns
Uh...no matter how you look at it, both east/west have the same amount of hours to purchase these tickets.

I think the only thing to make it totally fair is to send out PM's to all the sponsors letting them know what time the raffle will be posted, then you guys can fight for it at that time. So your either online or not but you were advised.

Originally posted by P10Bostonian
holy shit thatz a quick raffle! i think we set a new record. lol. is this gonna be the only May Raffle? or is there more coming soon?

We really dont know as of yet...as things stand, well be finishing up the XM raffle and the next one will be in June.

[P10Bostonian]

i got a idea, u can send a PM, along with email and a post for the sponser lettin them know 24/48 hours in advance when the raffle is gonna start. that way, everyone gets a fair start?

[dsigns]

Originally posted by P10Bostonian
i got a idea, u can send a PM, along with email and a post for the sponser lettin them know 24/48 hours in advance when the raffle is gonna start. that way, everyone gets a fair start?


I definately think the email is a good idea. Pat? :p

[P10Bostonian]

btw, i never check my email:*( so a thread would help out ppl who are too lazy to check their email, but not lazy enough to spend 2 hours on g.net lookin at all the new threads;)

[Yahnozha]

Originally posted by P10Bostonian
i got a idea, u can send a PM, along with email and a post for the sponser lettin them know 24/48 hours in advance when the raffle is gonna start. that way, everyone gets a fair start?

Didnt I just say that?

Originally posted by Yahnozha
I think the only thing to make it totally fair is to send out PM's to all the sponsors letting them know what time the raffle will be posted, then you guys can fight for it at that time. So your either online or not but you were advised.

Originally posted by dsigns
I definately think the email is a good idea. Pat? :p

I dont know about the email thing....Ill have to get with Matt on that one.

Damn, the things we do to please you guys....Im having an invite only raffle next time.. :lol:

[P10Bostonian]

i know u did, i just added in the email thing...









great, do i have to get on ur good side now? to get invited?

[bayne]

When the hell did this happen.....did I miss something......dammit......

[atdogg77]

Question: Maybe i'm not totally very experienced with the whole raffle deal, but i don't see the concept of limiting the number of tickets. If we're trying to raise money for G20.net here, why not give people more time? Is it to entice people into buying them quickly, and thus you'll be able to sell them quickly?

Just wondering...kinda confused...

[Yahnozha]

Odds...its all about the odds... :lol:

[Framamind]

Originally posted by atdogg77
Question: Maybe i'm not totally very experienced with the whole raffle deal, but i don't see the concept of limiting the number of tickets. If we're trying to raise money for G20.net here, why not give people more time? Is it to entice people into buying them quickly, and thus you'll be able to sell them quickly?

Just wondering...kinda confused...


Originally posted by Yahnozha
Odds...its all about the odds... :lol:

Well, I can understand the point about odds. Unfortunately it didn't work in this case, seeing as how the odds were spread amongst only four people. Limiting the number of tickets is a good idea, I say take it further and limit the number of tickets one person can purchase. After all, if you're going to put a cap on the total number of tickets available, why not give a broader spectrum of people the chance to get in on the raffle? You'll still raise the same amount of funds, and the odds will be greater.

I know, you're still working the kinks out. Just offering my 2 cents of suggestions..hehe.

[trbobrk]

I think one reason for the purpose of a limited number of tickets is it gives perks to sponsors. To encourage sponsorship, the sponsors should get some real perks; simply telling the sponsors the raffle is coming isn't a perk. Neither is letting them buy tickets ahead of time it there is an unlimited amount and everyone has an equal chance. Something to consider would be having a raffle with unlimited tickers, but the sponsors buy tickets before the regular people at a discounted rate so they get more chances per dollar.

As for the odds, not everyone has an equal chance. People with more money to blow have higher odds of winning. Technically even with unlimited tickets someone could buy the raffle buy getting a whole bunch of tickets.

Something I've never understood was the the lotto. Why don't millionares play lotto. Casue if there is 14 million different combinations and you get 2 combinations for $1, spending 7 million on tickets would guarentee they win the jackpot as well as a whole bunch of partial winners. I added it up once, even if you bought every ticket but the jackpot you would still win about 5 million from the partial tickets. So when the jackpot is up around 20mil you could buy 7million in tickets, win on every combination, make 5 million on the partials, take the half now on the jackpot which would be 10 million which would give you 15million - the 7 you 'invested' and - 40% of the 8 million net for income tax on gamblings = A real quick way of making 4.8 million after taxes.

[P10Bostonian]

Originally posted by trbobrk
Something I've never understood was the the lotto. Why don't millionares play lotto. Casue if there is 14 million different combinations and you get 2 combinations for $1, spending 7 million on tickets would guarentee they win the jackpot as well as a whole bunch of partial winners. I added it up once, even if you bought every ticket but the jackpot you would still win about 5 million from the partial tickets. So when the jackpot is up around 20mil you could buy 7million in tickets, win on every combination, make 5 million on the partials, take the half now on the jackpot which would be 10 million which would give you 15million - the 7 you 'invested' and - 40% of the 8 million net for income tax on gamblings = A real quick way of making 4.8 million after taxes.


dude that is sick, how did it take u to come up with that shit.





here is what i was thinkin... lets say we were gonna to raffle this car again.

set a limit, 200
150 for the sponsers, 50 for the non sponsers.


now, for all sponsers to get a fair shot, notify them 48 hours in advance, then post it for the sponsers only till the tickets run out. then do the same for the non sponser.

my :2cents:

[trbobrk]

Originally posted by P10Bostonian
dude that is sick, how did it take u to come up with that shit.

Not long at all, haven't you wondered what would happen if you bought every possible ticket? When you get board in statistics class, you have time to think about crap.

[P10Bostonian]

yeah when i was 16, i saw my mom buyin tickets and i tried to do what did.... i spent 20 minutes, and i gave up. i was never good at math heeh.

[Yahnozha]

Originally posted by trbobrk
Something I've never understood was the the lotto. Why don't millionares play lotto. Casue if there is 14 million different combinations and you get 2 combinations for $1, spending 7 million on tickets would guarentee they win the jackpot as well as a whole bunch of partial winners. I added it up once

Your math is way off, this would be true if the numbers were 0-9, but there are usually 50(?) intergers per slot, so elminating one interger per slot as each slot fills and given the *powerball* slot has its own 50 intergers, the right number of combinations is almost an exponential factor of the number of intergers available in relation to the slots they take up, here is an example of a 6 number lotter drawing, with a *powerball* slot.

50*49*48*47*46*50=12,712,560,000

IIRC, thats the total combination of number possiblities in a 6 number lottery. Not very good at all, over 12 Billion to one. Thats why millionares dont play, they cant afford it.

[P10Bostonian]

hey nice... but he could be talkin about the Numbers game.



here is mass is there something call the numbers game.


only 4 numbers. 1-9


but u gotta be exact order in numbers to win. can u tell me the odds of that? or atleast teach me how to do it so it will be less work for u?

ie: 4-1-2-9

[Yahnozha]

Originally posted by P10Bostonian
but u gotta be exact order in numbers to win. can u tell me the odds of that? or atleast teach me how to do it so it will be less work for u?

ie: 4-1-2-9

If all the numbers are in one pot being drawn for, then the odds are 9999 to 1

If each slot can be filled by a number 0-9 then the odds of getting all four numbers correct are

10*10*10*10=10,000 to 1

Now the odds of getting those four numbers in the right sequence is beyond my knowledge....Im sure its an exponential factor of 10,000 or something crazy like that.

[trbobrk]

Originally posted by Yahnozha
Your math is way off...

I was using the WA State Lotto. 6 balls drawn from 01-49
If your list of balls matches the 6 balls drawn, you win. It does not matter which order the balls are chosen, or are listed on the ticket (although they put them in order on the tickets, and newspaper reports of results)

To find the probablity of the drawing like this, you need to find the number of non-repeatable combinations

You were calculating permutations where the results 123, 132, 231, 213, 312, 321, are each unique, where as the WA state lotto would all be the same since they contain the same numbers 1, 2, and 3. Obviously with 49 balls, there would be a lot of repeating combos if you use permutations. Actualy there would be 49! (and that isn't and exclamation point but symbol for factorial)

C(6,49) = 13,983,816 but since you get two trys for a $1, the odds of winning, or number of tickets needed to have all the combinations would be half that; $6,991,908

Unfortunatly, the lotto game here has changed since the last time I figured it out two years ago, and the new payouts schedule sucks, also the jackpots aren't as high as they used to be.

So you buy $6,991,908 tickets

258 would get $1000 = $258,000
13,550 would get $30 = $406,500
249,711 would get $3 = $749,133

So all the winning tickets except the jackpot = $1,413,633

1 of them would get you the jackpot

Jackpots and Income from playing
12 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 7,413,633 - 6,991,908 = $421,725
13 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 7,913,633 - 6,991,908 = $921,725
14 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 8,413,633 - 6,991,908 = $1,421,725
15 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 8,913,633 - 6,991,908 = $1,921,725
16 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 9,413,633 - 6,991,908 = $2,421,725
17 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 9,913,633 - 6,991,908 = $2,921,725
18 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 10,413,633 - 6,991,908 = $3,421,725
19 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 10,913,633 - 6,991,908 = $3,921,725
20 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 11,413,633 - 6,991,908 = $4,421,725
...
25 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 13,913,633 - 6,991,908 = $6,921,725
...
30 million = 1/2 now + 1,413,633 = 16,413,633 - 6,991,908 = $9,421,725

And that will definatly put you in the highest tax bracket which for individuals is $90,515 + 35% of the amount over $311,950

You can figure out after tax income if ya want.

Originally posted by P10Bostonian
here is mass is there something call the numbers game.

only 4 numbers. 1-9

but u gotta be exact order in numbers to win. can u tell me the odds of that? or atleast teach me how to do it so it will be less work for u?

ie: 4-1-2-9
I looked up the MA numbers game. Looks like permutations with repeating number.

Odds are 1:10,000 4 numbers, 0-9 repeatable number, and the order matters.

[P10Bostonian]

so the chances of me of gettin 4 numebrs in the right order is 1:10,000? does it mean if i buy 10,000 i can win? lol

[dsigns]

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Me & pat have really been trying to get a good plan for these raffles so keep the ideas coming.:cool:

[MrFancypants]

Looks like the trbobk remembers his Finite Mathematics :)

Most lotteries dont care about the order of the numbers so the odds of winning are better. Pat's example of 1:10,000 was an exact match (correct order) of 4 numbers 0-9. Kind of like a combination lock (misuse of the word 'combination', really!).

PowerBall is a little more confusing because 5 numbers can be in any order but the 6th has to be the right ball. Also there are more numbers for white balls (53) than the Powerball (42). To win the whole shabang would be C(5,53) x 42. That comes to 42 x (53!48!)/5! or 1:120,526,770.

Now you might say, "Why dont I just buy all 120 million number combinations and win for sure?". Well if you could actually do that (I pity the guy at Circle K having to print all that up!), some lucky bastard would probably get the same numbers on one lucky ticket, you'd have to split the prize money with him, and then you'd be in the hole!

Regardless, the odds of winning this toy car were 1:30 for each ticket. I bought 10 so I had a 33% chance of winning, but that obviously didnt do me much good now did it? :lol:

In the future I would recommend a cap of how many tickets each person could buy. That would keep it fair so more people could participate.


- Greg -

[dsigns]

Question for those who bought tickets:

Would you still have bought the same amount of tickets if it was an unlimited raffle or did the odds entice you to buy?

[P10Bostonian]

Damn greg, thanks for point that out, i might to drug every F8cker so that i would be the only one buyin the ticket. ehehe

i think im just gonna stick with my number

0-6-1-4 and all the possible order of it. which is 16 tickets i think.

i bought one, 1/30 which was a pretty bad odd, but i would have laugh if i won. hehe

of if u had bought 29, and i bought one, u would have been pissed. :lol:

[P10Bostonian]

Originally posted by dsigns
Question for those who bought tickets:

Would you still have bought the same amount of tickets if it was an unlimited raffle or did the odds entice you to buy?


mainly because of the odds D. if i was to be the first one to buy a ticket, and found out 300 more tickets were sold, i would have to buy more to have a better chance of winning.

the 1/30 odd i liked so thatz the only reason why i would buy the ticket, seeing how i am a poor Gless person right now.



:2cents:

[trbobrk]

Originally posted by dsigns
Question for those who bought tickets:

Would you still have bought the same amount of tickets if it was an unlimited raffle or did the odds entice you to buy?

I probably wouldn't have bought $20 worth. Seeing how the Toy is worth ~ $42 I probably wouldn't spend 1/2 the toys value unless my odds of winning were really good.

[Chris]

It's not even May 1st yet and you already sold out the raffle and all :(

[Gealousy]

Originally posted by Chris
It's not even May 1st yet and you already sold out the raffle and all :(


That's what I'm sayin... I didn't think the ticket numbers would be limited... seeing how it's a fund raiser...

[Yahnozha]

Originally posted by trbobrk
I probably wouldn't have bought $20 worth. Seeing how the Toy is worth ~ $42 I probably wouldn't spend 1/2 the toys value unless my odds of winning were really good.

Thats my rational as well. Give good odds and they will go quickly. Leave the odds open and you really dont know what will happen....

[md_emory]

um :confused:

what was that. Is this a weekly thing now?????

[trbobrk]

Came yesterday but I didn't have time to take pics untill today.

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic001.jpg

1/12 S15 and 1/10 P10

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic002.jpg


http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic003.jpg

Hood opensand is very detailed inside

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic004.jpg

Digital camera sucks a focusing at close range, but here is the extremely detailed interior

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic005.jpg

Rear shot

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic006.jpg

Lights on

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic007.jpg

The hood is clear :-\ not sure if I like that or not.

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic008.jpg

With the lights on in the closet, darkest place I could find, check out the underbody! What a ricer :lol:

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic009.jpg

Amps inside all are lit up as well

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic010.jpg

Headlamps

http://myhome.spu.edu/coling/rafflepic011.jpg

Parked in front of the coolest site in the world!

[dsigns]

Nice, how much HP you putting out? :p

[trbobrk]

Originally posted by dsigns
Nice, how much HP you putting out? :p

With all those stickers? Probably 1200HP with Naws untill I blew the piston rings on my rotary intercooler vtec gt-R hybrid. :p