20v and 6 spd swap in P10 pics

[Snickers]

Here's a few pics of the car still in a few pieces. Its 1/2 a 20v motor, and a 6 spd trans swapped in.

The swap isnt finished yet. I need to get the car driving then measure and make some cool CNC mounts n stuff.

I'm sure you will have questions... ask away.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed001.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed003.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed004.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed005.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed007.jpg

[P10 WRC]

wow, nice

[trbobrk]

do you even remember the last time you drove that car? lol

[Snickers]

May actually

the 5 spd trans blew up on the dyno.... with an NA motor go figure

600hp and it wont break, 150hp and it goes kaboom...

5 spd, to 4 spd to 6 spd...

[Uncle Dave]

Oh man, I gotta come over there soon Charles.... :thumbsup:
Housewarming party perhaps? :cheeky: I'll bring the fresh salsa.

[apoc987]

wow i am so jealous. id kill for a 20v. wish they werent so damn expensive. actually id kill for just a 6 spd tranny. i hate the p10 gearing.

[Jakers]

that black top is soo freekin sexay!!!
that thing is going to bw awsome...:drool:

[rmyc]

make me mounts x2 next year i'm going 6spd. so far i've saved enough for a VET. which i'm still researching..

How are the D2's ? i might get a set, i'm sick of agx/GC

[Ericdd]

wow, that's just sick. Is it gonna be turbo or stay N/A?

[Snickers]

This motor has 12.5:1 comp pistons, h beam rods, the head has slight port work, more like port clean up. I have the plenum cut off the intake manifold to port it out cause it needs work.

I wont be doing any turbo projects for a while.This will BE N/A as a test bed for making some good VE parts, cams, headers n stuff...

I've had the D2's for 3 years now, they are really nice, noisy, and make a knocking sound because of the wrong viscosity oil but i like em. I got 12/8 spring rates....

[HKS P10 GT]

... nice mount.. love the 20v

[onedeathburger]

I uh don't know what to say...I am totally speechless, except for it would appear to someone who doesnt know you, that you are one of those kinds of guys that...well when you do something...you do it right.

[blackp10g20]

i have a lot of questions but i'm too stunned/impressed to ask them. Nice work.

[Ericdd]

This motor has 12.5:1 comp pistons, h beam rods, the head has slight port work, more like port clean up. I have the plenum cut off the intake manifold to port it out cause it needs work.

I wont be doing any turbo projects for a while.This will BE N/A as a test bed for making some good VE parts, cams, headers n stuff...

what kind of HP ar you hoping to get out this?
I wish this motor/tranny was in my car :smile:

[t bags]

nice motor choice..with the proper mods 250whp will be easily hit

[BaDDiS B13 SE R]

you need to do a write up on that 6spd swap. i am very interested in that mod.

very good work

[Lucinosr20]

im in love. i just loved all over myself.

[Gmac03]

how does the six speed fit in there? any cutting needed? just drops right in? Did you only have to fab the tranny mount?

Awesome!

Gmac

[Snickers]

Its a very very tight fit in there. You have to cut the drivers side mount bracket off then buy the spec v mount and bracket then find a way to attach it to the frame. I just drilled some holes and used self tapping screws for now. The trans is very close to the steering rack and the frame but barely fits.

[Ericdd]

Its a very very tight fit in there. You have to cut the drivers side mount bracket off then buy the spec v mount and bracket then find a way to attach it to the frame. I just drilled some holes and used self tapping screws for now. The trans is very close to the steering rack and the frame but barely fits.
I'm guessing the self tapping bolts are only temporary for fabricating right?:smile: Would you say poly engine mounts are a must with the 6 speed so there is no movement of the tranny and hitting the frame and steering rack?

[Koojo]

Awesome man that some good work

[Snickers]

that drivers mount is just temp like that. I havent decided what i'm going to do permanently with that. I got some more parts to put on still, I have to finish mod'n the intake manifold and wire up the engine management.

The cable shifter does almost bolt right into the stock shifter spot. I modified and clearanced the center console to get it to fit the cable shifter in there. I have gotten the boot to fit and everything. I cant wait to drive this thing.

I'm not looking for huge numbers with this motor, Just something strong that I can get some cams made with. I have N1's in it now which should get me to the 230ish whp mark and I have some larger custom ones that I dont know what they will do power wise.

[DSMEater]

cant wait to see this thing when it is done, its gunna look sick

[j-tek]

man; i'm hella loving that set-up :naughty: ................ not even gonna ask how much to do 1 of this :x .................. subscribing popcorn:








:p

[Gmac03]

With the 20v, what engine management do you need to run it. Can you use the 20v ecu or do you have to go aftermarket, and to what level, Piggy back or full on AEM computer?

Gmac

[Ericdd]

its the same setup as a ve, except for the 4 extra injectors. most people just block them off and run 4 injectors. but GT20ir is always going big so maybe he'll use all 8 :)

[Domiken]

Very nice man!

[Snickers]

the 20v only has 4 injectors, the sr16ve N-1 has 8. the 20v is drive by wire and you cant use that ecu. i'm using an AEM for now, then maybe an Apex PFC.

I'll take more pics this week.

[Black95G20]

Looks good charles, I wanna see a dyno sheet when you get it running.

What happened to the 600hp monster?

[Snickers]

Looks good charles, I wanna see a dyno sheet when you get it running.

What happened to the 600hp monster?

I went through about 5 clutch disks. I kept stripping the splines out of them when you get close to the 600whp mark. ACT was warrantying them untill i told them how much power i was making.....

I'll post a dyno sheet with all the different cam setups when running.

[Alex]

This thread gives me a raging erection! Good to see an update on the beast

[Ericdd]

the 20v only has 4 injectors, the sr16ve N-1 has 8. the 20v is drive by wire and you cant use that ecu. i'm using an AEM for now, then maybe an Apex PFC.

I didn't know that. why can't you use a different TB so it's not by wire?

[Loek]

Subscribing. That vc rocks too, btw.

[Black95G20]

I went through about 5 clutch disks. I kept stripping the splines out of them when you get close to the 600whp mark. ACT was warrantying them untill i told them how much power i was making.....

I'll post a dyno sheet with all the different cam setups when running.

That's pretty ridiculous, i'm not gonna lie. Good luck gettin this guy going.

[Snickers]

That's pretty ridiculous, i'm not gonna lie. Good luck gettin this guy going.

I built the VET 2 years ago, I sold it to someone else back in january of last year so i havent had it for a while.

This setup is just going to be NA, i'm not sure when i'll do another turbo project.

I have an N1 T/B 70mm, on the VE intake manifold. Its cut open and ported out a lot too...

The 20v valve cover does look really cool. It has the cover in the middle because this motor has individual coil packs.

[trbobrk]

The 20v valve cover does look really cool. It has the cover in the middle because this motor has individual coil packs.
You center panel isn't good looking though. You need to strip it down and refinish it like it came from factory.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/20v.jpg

[DSMEater]

^^^^ mucho hotness, i wish my crappy de looked that good

that motor would look sick if it had a big ol' turbo hangin onto it :naughty:

[Snickers]

You center panel isn't good looking though. You need to strip it down and refinish it like it came from factory.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/20v.jpg

Yeah, i know, the paint got taken off then repainted, i want the red back...

[DSMEater]

i think i like urs better G20iR, well at least from the picture it almost looks like the NEOVVL is chrome, it looks like it matches the nissan symbol

[Snickers]

i think i like urs better G20iR, well at least from the picture it almost looks like the NEOVVL is chrome, it looks like it matches the nissan symbol

the NEOvvl was painted black, then cleaned off, its just bare Aluminum. I want to buy a new VC for it.

[trbobrk]

Dibs on you current one.

[Snickers]

Dibs on you current one.

that was fast, but expected.... I suppose Kyle would want to fight you for it, but you would just come over and take it off my car... or you would just take the car and return it with a stock DE and 5 spd...

[trbobrk]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1096/rkd2yg0.jpg

Kyle is a black belt, but you think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?

Do you think you would notice if your car was gone for 4months 22days?

[818_'99G20]

thats pure sexyness!!!!!

[TheBlazinAzn]

so i guess thats what your up to these days chuck. i swear everytime i think you did something impressive you always find another way to out do yourself...

i mean yeah this wont have half the power your old motors have had but im jealous to know what that 6 speed feels like man...

keep it up bro..

[Snickers]

Yeah, now the fun part, Its all in and ready to go but i have to wire in the AEM. the fun part is that the harness and ECU are for an sr20de, but the engine is basically setup like an S15 silvia motor.... oh the fun begins...

[Dane]

I volunteer to come over and watch. I'll even hand you stuff.

[trbobrk]

Do you need an harness expert? I'll claim to be one if it makes the job go any faster. I buy japanese harness terminals by the spool of 25,000 so I think that qualifies.

[Jakers]

well since were kissin ass...I can take pictures..:smile:
I can also test drive pretty well...:teeth:

[joselito]

dude im planning to get 6 speed but i have no idea how im gonna do it i have a p11 sr20de stock what do i need i wanna go 6 speed to thanks

[Dane]

Sweet, lets invite Dave, Katie, Rob, and all the other NWG's and we'll all watch this thing come together at a watch Charles work meet.

Sorry no more OT comments.......... in this thread that is.

[TheBlazinAzn]

Sweet, lets invite Dave, Katie, Rob, and all the other NWG's and we'll all watch this thing come together at a watch Charles work meet.


we'll set up chairand stuff. cheer on charles as he wrenches away. haha, sounds like my shop...

[Snickers]

Sweet, lets invite Dave, Katie, Rob, and all the other NWG's and we'll all watch this thing come together at a watch Charles work meet.

Sorry no more OT comments.......... in this thread that is.

OT in my threads? haha lol.

well Once I get this wiring stuff figured out She's ready to roll. Converting to individual coils and other cool stuff is kind of a pain, well, yeah....

Colin, i'm not sure when you'll be at work tomorrow but i'm probobly going to stay late at work to try to get this harness done, stop by if you want.. or anyone else that wants to stop by.

[trbobrk]

OT in my threads? haha lol.

Every thread has a topic. Why does it have to match the title?

I'm not sure either, I'll call you tomorrow afternoon.

[G20-Budo]

Ok.. so where the heck have I been? I didn't even know that Charles posted this thread until I was chatting with him on the way home from the dojo tonight... :-\


that was fast, but expected.... I suppose Kyle would want to fight you for it, but you would just come over and take it off my car... or you would just take the car and return it with a stock DE and 5 spd...

You got that right Charles!! :evil:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1096/rkd2yg0.jpg

Kyle is a black belt, but you think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?

Do you think you would notice if your car was gone for 4months 22days?

As for you Colin!!! :rambo:

Nah, it's all good.. I was planning on ordering a new one in another 5 month or so anyway.. :naughty:

Charles, you KNOW if I was in the area I'd be by to help you out.. I was going to ask if you were planning to run the individual coils, but I see you mentioned you are.

Weren't you running individual coils on the GTiR motor?

The motor and tranny look good. Can't wait to see/drive your car! :)

[SE-Rican]

Glad to see that head found a home. I remember putting it on and taking it off.

I need to give you a shout one of these days Charles. I hope all is well.

[Snickers]

The head is very nice Rob, you know, you've seen it yourself.

Its all ready to go except wiring. I'll post pics in the morning...

[Snickers]

Ok, here are pics of how she sits right now, just waiting for wiring as iv'e been stating...

That header is one of my own for those that are wondering...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed008.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed009.jpg

[DragonEye]

wow is that thing sexy! cant wait to see it all up and running.

[ChZA]

newb question.

what car does the 20v sr20 motor originally come from and what are it's stock specs? what trannys bolt onto the motor?

would a 99 be a good host for that motor? or is a VE a simpler swap

[Dane]

Look at the Frankenstein intake mani, and that super sexy exhaust header.

[rmyc]

wow that motor looks soo small inthat engine bay,

[onedeathburger]

:bowdown:

Just one question...did you keep the cable operated clutch?

[92_G20_SE]

Hawtness at its best, can't wait to see the finished product, keep up the good work


Rob

[Ericdd]

sick setup. what did you wind up doing to the intake? is that a bigger TB or the stock 20v. is the stock 20v 70mm?

[Snickers]

I ported the intake manifold out and made a larger plenum, about 2 times the size of stock. The T/B is a 70mm N1.

the clutch is cable opperated. I have an addapter for it.

[G20-Budo]

:bowdown:

Just one question...did you keep the cable operated clutch?

He does have the cable for his clutch still.. he got a cool linkage made.. look at the clutch cable, and the direction it's pointing to on the tranny.

You'll see the linkage. Pretty slick.

[eugeneg20]

could you give me your address. just dont be srprised when you wake up!
i love that set up

[p10det]

charralls i got to say i love how nice the 20v valvr cover looks. i have but one question. Where to find the spec v trans mount insert?

i do like your nifty cable pully wheel thingy. very creative desighn

i really cant wait to see how well you like the 6 speed

[p10det]

ps also noticed the covited belhouseing air vent for the jwt flywheel lol

[CurtDragon]

looks good

[onedeathburger]

well i asked because i thought that was a clutch cable, but wasnt sure.
what made you decide on the cable of hydraulic?

[p10det]

i think chuck just desided to keep the cable. just my 2 cents but im all for the hydrolic system . i beleave that numatic presure is more reliable than a steel cable. but i do think he made a really cool looking conversion for

[TheBlazinAzn]

a cable is easier to diagnose and repair: replace. a hydraulic system has a more moving parts, thus more that can go wrong...

[p10det]

im not following that. a hydrolic system takes not much brians at all to diag you basiclly hve a clutch master a clutch slave and lines. no more moveable than brake calipers and takes less stress. understanign prts s function make the differents. a steel cable will pop brfore hydrolic presure will give. so i dont follow you to well on this blazin. im really not trying to make offence just pressing a point.

[TheBlazinAzn]

i know the hydraulic system is better. that is why it is installed on all new cars. but when you're using an aftermarket clutch, esepcially one thats beefier then stock you gotta expect things to go wrong in the clutch system.

i think chuck decided to go with a cable operated clutch because it is cheaper and easier to repair.

[G20-Budo]

i think chuck decided to go with a cable operated clutch because it is cheaper and easier to repair.

*IF* I decide to do the 6 spd swap.. I'm planning to go the same route as Charles. Assuming his setup works well, AND I can get one of those nifty conversion pieces. ;)

[TheBlazinAzn]

now im new to the idea of the 6 speed swap (was absent from the forums for a long time) what are the advantages of doing this? besides having another gear. are these tranny's built stronger? whats their max torque capacity?

[G20-Budo]

now im new to the idea of the 6 speed swap (was absent from the forums for a long time) what are the advantages of doing this? besides having another gear. are these tranny's built stronger? whats their max torque capacity?

Huh? I thought you were going the BMW route? ;)

Ok.. the reasons for going with the 6 spd spec-v tranny are:
Better gearing for an SR20 motor!!
HLSD (killer hookup with this diff, and it's a factory part!)
Ability to run a strong clutch (the 350Z clutch).
A 6th gear.
The tranny should be stronger than the sr20 trannies.. considering it's the same tranny that the maxima uses.


Those are the reason's I'm aware of..

[TheBlazinAzn]

well the plan was to retrofit an s14 sr20det into the e28. but i got into a collision and now the body work will cost more then the cars worth. i might still do it in the future just for something unique but right now with my budget i wanna start building a motor.

thanks for the info on the tranny budo

[p10det]

so no love for the hydrolifc clutch activation then? i have snaped a clutch cable befor in the hottest of the summer and hd to chnge it in a MCdonlds prking lot cuase thats where my car driffted when it snaped. not fun at all. i was swetting my ass off and buy luck i hd another cble in my car i was going to change as a mintenence thing. it ended up being a do it now in the hot ass sun thing. but im sticking with the hydrolic system. it will be more reliable in the long run. its not very hard to turn a p10 from cable to hydrolic with the 6 speed. it just a few p11 bits and a 20v slave cyl. or mad a l30 altima one like the previuos car

[trbobrk]

If it was going in a p10 I'd stick with cable. Cables don't leak and you can replace it in 5mins with no tools.

[G20-Budo]

well the plan was to retrofit an s14 sr20det into the e28. but i got into a collision and now the body work will cost more then the cars worth. i might still do it in the future just for something unique but right now with my budget i wanna start building a motor.

Hey.. I saw something like that in my old "Fast fours and rotaries" video (From down under). The guy had like an E30 chassis, with a RWD sr20DET in it.. he kept braking u-joints in the drive shaft. :)

But looked pretty cool.

thanks for the info on the tranny budo

Glad to be of use. :monkey:

[p10det]

i have never seen one person replace a cable with no tools at all cant be done. 5 min is if you have tools and mabe a freind with ya

[trbobrk]

you've probably never been driving around and have charles ask for a spare cable, after a quick trip to my house to get the spare, I just stood there and in about 5 mins we were on our way again.

[p10det]

no tools t all?

[trbobrk]

It has a little wheel thingy on the end IIRC. Maybe it needs tools, but probably nothing more than a 10mm socket like the rest of the car.

[Shady195]

Is the 20v more ballsier than the SR20ve? and if so how hard of a swap is it compared to the SR20VE

[jamse-r]

You have done so many different projects its crazy. I will bet money although he is going N/A now, the p10 will be turbo. Crazy not to considering the bulletproof tranny that is waiting for boost ;) Great job. Could you please post videos when she is ready?

[G20-Budo]

It has a little wheel thingy on the end IIRC. Maybe it needs tools, but probably nothing more than a 10mm socket like the rest of the car.

At the tranny, that little wheel thing has a 10mm nut on the other side. So I use a flat head to hold the wheel thing in place and an open end 10mm wrench for the nut. Then there's a 10mm or 12mm bolt that holds the cable in place, that goes through the firewall (from the inside of the car).

[TheBlazinAzn]

when i had my car i always had a spare cable. it snapped while i was going up this hill to my house. but i pulled her in on 2nd and changed the cable in about an hour. it was my first time and i did spend some time trying to get it just right.

[G20-Budo]

when i had my car i always had a spare cable. it snapped while i was going up this hill to my house. but i pulled her in on 2nd and changed the cable in about an hour. it was my first time and i did spend some time trying to get it just right.

You know, all this talk about swapping clutch cables and adjusting them.. it reminds me.. mine releases towards the top now.. and I've been meaning to adjust it.. I guess today would be a good day. :)

[Snickers]

they hyd setup would be the better route to go. the pedal is really really stiff with the cable setup.

[Snickers]

ok, here are the latest pics. Oh, and I just found out that I need a different F*king cable to plug the laptop into the ECU... bastards.... Now i gotta go get one that works.:mad:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed012.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed010.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/gt20ir/6%20spd%20parts%20swap/20vand6speed011.jpg

[trbobrk]

So is it ready for me to steal yet?

[G20-Budo]

Ah.. where's the MAF?

Looks great Charles.. can't wait to hear how it runs!

Got an eta on when you'll get the cable?

BTW, are the coil packs pretty much the same ones that are ran on the maxima's?

[trbobrk]

AEM works on MAP and IAT I think.

[LuciferBlkG20]

Looks sick man and i was going to ask about the MAf also but your running that crazy expensive AEM ecu so i know not how it works. ahaha

[Black95G20]

lookin good man, that thing's comin together nicely.

[Snickers]

anyone want to buy a 92 grey g20. i'm serious. must tow by the 31st

[trbobrk]

really?

i'm on my way now!

[Dane]

^^Vulture

[trbobrk]

I'm slowing buying all the nwg20s.

[Dane]

I hope it's not complications with the house. Wasn't it Charles that recently bought a house?

[Snickers]

well she runs and drives better, but still not perfect.

[TheBlazinAzn]

chuck? how much? this isnt the parts car out back behind the house is it?

[Snickers]

the parts car has been parted out and is gone.

the 6 spd and 20v parts are kinda expensive. i'd say the complete 6 spd conversion will run someone about $1800-2200 to do it right.

[TheBlazinAzn]

anyone want to buy a 92 grey g20. i'm serious. must tow by the 31st

were you being serious? im lookin for a really cheap G20 so i can start prepping it and jst tinker around on...

i dont plan to drive it daily, just kinda wanna strip it out, clean it up. get it on a diet. small stuff like that. then when i build that motor i'll stuff it in and register the car.

[G20-Budo]

Hey Charles,

Are the coil packs on the 20V basically the same as the ones on a maxima/altima?

[Snickers]

Hey Charles,

Are the coil packs on the 20V basically the same as the ones on a maxima/altima?

I dont know, I know these are the same indentical ones as the S15 silvia. the s13/14 are different and these ones are better.

[p10det]

still want to know abut the incirt for spec trans mount i want to get one ore more but now where to find and part #s and such .

i really dont want to put those washy stockers in

[Snickers]

still want to know abut the incirt for spec trans mount i want to get one ore more but now where to find and part #s and such .

i really dont want to put those washy stockers in

Prothane for a sentra, they fit right in, mo modifications.

[p10det]

same mount? were to buy ?
im not very good at finding theese things just good at makeing parts

[Snickers]

ok, so fuck the AEM, I just bought ANOTHER Apex Power FC, D Jetro for the S14, so i can run Map sensor, individual coils, AND control Vtachhhh from this thing, no need for silly rpm switches.

[rmyc]

didnt know other made ecu's i though we were stuck with modded ecu's... how much are they running u and where can u source the codes/maps for them? i want turbo for a BOV but we have MAF's so i'm not getting turbo until i figure this out..

[Snickers]

didnt know other made ecu's i though we were stuck with modded ecu's... how much are they running u and where can u source the codes/maps for them? i want turbo for a BOV but we have MAF's so i'm not getting turbo until i figure this out..

there are a lot of other ECU's out there that work but people dont want to pay $1000+ for them. Apex no longer makes the FWD Power FC, It was about $1400 though. the RWD ones are about $900-1000 give or take and all you need to do is rewire for 4 coils and get a crank sensor. They do make an NA sr20de RWD one that I think would work for FWD too.

HKS, AEM, Tomei, and a few others all make standalone setups for us.

personally, Calum and JWT have most of what we need covered. sometimes i wish i didnt have to retune everything all the time. Plug and play is really nice.

[G20-Budo]

personally, Calum and JWT have most of what we need covered. sometimes i wish i didnt have to retune everything all the time. Plug and play is really nice.

This is the reason I'm going Calum! :)

[rmyc]

Chuck i will have to meet with u next year to do a 6spd swap.. but that if i dont get my T4 by then

[p10det]

i have been toying with aem ems for a while and i think its a very good product that allows never ending posisbilitys to your tuneing. i am thinking about takeing the aem ems class and hopefully be one hell of a stand alone tuner.

i have also been toying with a emanage ultimate on the 6spd p10 and i got it to run great under load as long as you dont have to shift lol if you shift you have to easy back into the gas then rail it down. or it will get piss rich and bog and shake. the car is boosted by the way. just really anoying cuase piggy backs are listed as points of correction not actual maps.
i have not goten any help from sr20 forum cuase im assumeing no one knoews anything about it. but im think its in the ignition map. so hard to tell what its doeing with only corrections and no real maps

[G20-Budo]

i have also been toying with a emanage ultimate on the 6spd p10 and i got it to run great under load as long as you dont have to shift lol if you shift you have to easy back into the gas then rail it down. or it will get piss rich and bog and shake. the car is boosted by the way. just really anoying cuase piggy backs are listed as points of correction not actual maps.


Mike, why not check into a realtime Calum ECU? With the realtime unit you can tune a boosted car GREAT! It's pretty close to a stand alone EMS.. That's the reason I'm going Calum.. It also has the consult port on it, so you can do your data logging to see what the car's doing.

The only other tool you'd need would be a wide band O2..and then later to fine tune it, take it to a dyno.

[p10det]

yes sir i have met calum and seen his product on the dyno. i think jhon had a few questions for me a while back. but i do not see how i can tune clumn for a map sencor and what not. i like the whole idea of running map sencor on turbo cars.

ems is for me as calums ecu can not do what i want in my car

[Snickers]

I just got another Apex Power FC, but i have to make a jumper harness for this one because i got the wrong year, Oh well, whats an hour of switching pins anyways...

[Snickers]

still cant get this damn thing to run.... i've spent hours on it and have checked about everything... hmmm.

[forbidden710]

still cant get this damn thing to run.... i've spent hours on it and have checked about everything... hmmm.

any updates?

[Snickers]

no changes, still cant get her to run. still no ideas. i keep going back and checking everything over and over and i think i'm going insane.

[Black95G20]

What's goin on? wont turn over, wont fire, wont idle?

[Snickers]

wont start, everything is there, compression, spark, ignition, all at the right time, or what should be but when you put it all together to start it doesnt want to spark right. its probobly something with the wiring with the S14ecu but i'm not sure what.

[p10det]

dont you need a ignitor chip for s14?

[Snickers]

dont you need a ignitor chip for s14?

no, i'm using the 20v coils they are the same as the S15 ones and you dont use the ignitor. if you use the ignitor with the newer coils they melt. I got plently of spark, i know, it hurts and jumps a .080" gap no problem. i'm going to pull the harness back out and run through everything again. I also got a s14 harness from a friend that I can use to make sure i'm running all the wires i'm supposed to.

[keaser06]

if its an s14 ecu its meant to run on an ignitor chip.. maybe its not reading right because theres no ignitor?? maybe try and switch to an s15 ecu that uses the same style ignition??

[rmyc]

subscribed.. chuck i might talk to u later abotu buying a gtir motor and the complexity of it.. need some advice from ya before i go get a front clip

[Snickers]

yeah, so i FINALLY found out what is wrong.. Its not my fault or anything anyone else here did. It does make sense what was happening. Its something with the crank sensor.

Can anyone take a guess as to what was wrong with it?

[Dane]

Colin purposely sabotaged it, so you would sell it to him for cheap, then he could quickly and easily fix the problem.?????

[Gmac03]

You didn't use the correct crank position sensor for the tranny casing you were using so it wasn't long enough to read the flywheel and relay the info?

Just a wild guess.

Gmac

[Jakers]

Colin purposely sabotaged it, so you would sell it to him for cheap, then he could quickly and easily fix the problem.?????
I totally agree with this answer....100% :smile:

[G20-Budo]

You didn't use the correct crank position sensor for the tranny casing you were using so it wasn't long enough to read the flywheel and relay the info?

Just a wild guess.

Gmac

Nope.. that's not it. The EMS/ECU he's using doesn't use that kind of crank angle sensor.

And if he was using his stock ECU, (as far as I know) only the 95.3 and newer P10's have the crank angle sensor on the bell housing like you described.

I know what the issue is because Charles told me last night..but I'm not telling. :)

(though I wasn't too far off with my inputs to him regarding troubleshooting it, but it was a weird issue for sure!)

I totally agree with this answer....100% :smile:

I really liked that answer too actually!! :smile:

[rmyc]

let me know.. i'm doing a 6sp swap in 6months if i'm not able to import a T4

[trbobrk]

Colin purposely sabotaged it, so you would sell it to him for cheap, then he could quickly and easily fix the problem.?????

I'm not smart enough to do that. 4 months 22 days remember?

[Gmac03]

I have no idea, just tell us then.

Gmac

[G20-Budo]

I have no idea, just tell us then.

Nah.. it's Charles story.. I'll let him tell it. ;)

[Gmac03]

Booooo...for keeping us in the dark.

Hurray...BEER!

Sure thing, I guess I can wait.

Gmac

[Snickers]

SHE RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:woohoo::banana:

[CurtDragon]

how is that power fc? i know someone selling one that is made for a p11

[rmyc]

sweeet... next time i'm in seattle i'll hit you up.. and see if i can ride shotgun in the ride

[Jakers]

mini meet!!!! lol

[zi0n]

andreas miko set up his to run on a dizzy wouldnt that have been easier?

[Snickers]

Apex used to make Power FC's for FWD cars, HP10 and RNN14 but they are no longer made. you can still find them out there though but they are rare and expensive.

I can get the car to run with a stock ECU and dist but its not the same and the engine is so modded that it doesnt really run other than idle that way.

Dre used a dist and JWT ecu because it is easy and plug and play.

Here is the problem I had with mine...

The crank/cam sensor has 2 sets of reference marks, 360 deg notches and 180 deg notches. the 180 deg ones are for firing the spark plugs. ( basically). They are slightly different size holes and are offset a different amount from each other so that the ECU knows what cylinder it is on by the space between each reference mark. The guy I got this 20v setup from had some other standalone setup on it and to make it run he had to modify the cam sensor. he had to remove the sensor wheel and move it about 130 degrees to get the notches to line up how his management wanted them to. I did not know this untill last night when i started thinking again. I borrowed a complete JWD S14 engine harness and it still didnt fire up so i knew something else was wierd. i just started checking the sensors more in depth and i found this at 10:30pm last night. I got home from work today and she fired right up after charging the battery.

long story short, it was something simple, something i dont think anyone else will ever have to deal with being wrong and causing their motor not to start.

[Dane]

Well better you than me, I'd have pulled my last hair out long ago. Good luck, I can't wait to see this thing in person.

[Snickers]

Well better you than me, I'd have pulled my last hair out long ago. Good luck, I can't wait to see this thing in person.

i'm already bald after the last few weeks....lol

[Gmac03]

Very nice man. I would have never guessed that in a million years, and if it was me in your shoes. I would have given up and parted the damn thing out.

Good luck man.

Gmac

[G20-Budo]

SHE RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:woohoo::banana:

Told you it would!! :lick:

But I know you didn't want to get over confident and then it not start. :)

Great to hear boss! BTW, you didn't get back to me last night.. Drop me a line when you're free.

[Snickers]

well she drives and is tuned but because the short block has been together for a while its a lil worn out. I've got 45% leakdown on cyl #2 through the rings.... i got a few more parts to test on the dyno then i'll probobly sell a few parts off this beast.

[evlnxr]

Apart from the Flybywire TB, is there any other reason why you wouldnt want to run the factory ecu?

I have the complete car loom with everything for my 20v, the guy i got it off swears that its all there and will work, but im going to jury rig it and fire it up before i commit to wiring it into the car properly.

Any ideas on where i could download a FSM or ecu pinout for the 20v?

I like how you've done the clutch cable, i'm looking at a hydraulic setup at the mo, ive got the lines and master cylinder, just need to get a pedal that will fit or mod to fit in a B13.

What did you do for drive shafts with the 6 speed trans? The inner CVs are way different than the b13 ones, and the p12 20v shafts are too long, so I'm looking towards custom inner cv cups so i can run the GTI N14 driveshafts, which are the perfect length.

Cheers Bud, cant wait to get mine running too.

[forbidden710]

well she drives and is tuned but because the short block has been together for a while its a lil worn out. I've got 45% leakdown on cyl #2 through the rings.... i got a few more parts to test on the dyno then i'll probobly sell a few parts off this beast.

your going to sell the car?