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Coaxial Spring Mounts for Shocks (Not Struts)?

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Reading one of the Autocross to Win articles the writer mentions the importance of coaxial spring mounts, where the spring is mounted on the shock shaft and not on the top hat.

http://farnorthracing.com said:

Any coilover absolutely must keep the spring coaxial to the shock. Any bending moment on the shock rod and spring that occurs when the spring seat doesn't pivot coaxial to the shock rod wears out seals in a hurry, can bend the shock rod, and worst of all, does all kinds of funky things to the spring rates, as the spring is no longer compressed evenly throughout the shock stroke. It is really, really worth the effort to ensure the spring is always compressed squarely.
For our cars what I noticed is, the struts get coaxial spring mounts, but shocks get the shaft and are mounted on the top hat itself.

Here are BC struts for the B15

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Exploded view


Rear's are shocks and are mounted on the top hat.



Here are front BC shocks for the P11, once again mounted on the top hat.



I'm using BC's as an example because I have pics more readily available, even other brands I'm seeing the same trends. If car has struts in the rear, then the spring is mounted on the shaft (P10/B13), if car has shocks then spring seems to be mounted on the top hat. Do our cars with shocks not experience the items that the article talks about, thus it's not needed?

The author writes around DSM chassis, which afaik has some sort of unequal a arm suspension (not McStrut), but he does mention that in their design shock still moves.
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I know this is especially an issue for the fronts when people add "pillow ball" style top hats etc, ones with movement. I know for my AMR spherical bearing top hats, they have a spring seat below the top hat to account for the movement and to keep the spring coaxial to the damper assembly. I believe my rear shocks have a similar setup, although I know most if not any others do. I know it becomes an either bigger issue the lower you go and with the addition of offset mounts.



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How much NVH did spherical bearings introduce? I'm kind of annoyed the BC's don't come with them stock for P11's, they come with them for B15 front's though.
It honestly was difficult to tell if there was any noticeable harshness as I have solid mounts and stiffer spring rates.
I know this is especially an issue for the fronts when people add "pillow ball" style top hats etc, ones with movement. I know for my AMR spherical bearing top hats, they have a spring seat below the top hat to account for the movement and to keep the spring coaxial to the damper assembly. I believe my rear shocks have a similar setup, although I know most if not any others do. I know it becomes an either bigger issue the lower you go and with the addition of offset mounts.
I just reread your post and realized I competently misunderstood it. You are saying that when people go to spherical bearing mounts (top hat now can now tilt), that caused issues? What kind of issues? Does the shock get misaligned and end up bending the piston rod?
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