starting issue

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j-tek

Discussion Starter · Sep 24, 2013 (Edited)

So my g won't start. Here's how it came about.

Saturday, woke up early and move the car at a different spot (approx 3 mins). 5 hours after, I went back to it and it decided not to start. All I got is a very slow crank...... starter is turning (making noise) but its not engaging the flywheel as its not turning the crankshaft

- thinking is was weak battery, I decided to install 1 from my other g20...... still didn't turn on, just slow cranking

- next (Sunday) I went ahead and swapped the starter with another one (good starter) I had laying around... still didn't turn on, just slow crank..... bench tested the original starter and it works fine.

- verified ignition signal/voltage was getting to the starter.... dmm reads 9-10v at signal terminal of starter solenoid.

- checked the battery posts and engine bay grounds and didn't notice anything out of the norm.

Info about the car. She's originally a auto model that I converted to 5spd. Also installed a ve like 8 months ago. The car has been to good to me all this time. Yes there were some small issues here and there, but this one tops them all.

I'm running out of options and hope you guys can point me to the right direction. TIA :cheese:

i will be giving away a jdm care package to the fellow who gives me the correct fix.

package consist of;
- 1 primera camino badge
-.1 pair of jdm marker lights (slim types)
- 1 trunk hamburger
- 1 front grill hamburger

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sixnineG

· #2 · Sep 24, 2013

dude im on the same boat, but mine does it to me only once in a while, it will crank but wont start, if I keep cranking it eventualy turns on after like 5 minutes.

I changed my starter too, and it was not that. some one told me that it could be a timing issue, fuel or spark. mine dosent do it to me all the time just once in a blue moon.

good luck.

WeazG20

· #3 · Sep 24, 2013

You checked all the grounds in the started circuit? Given that's it is a p11 I would have checked battery and starter first too...

j-tek

Discussion Starter · #4 · Sep 24, 2013

sixnineG said:
dude im on the same boat, but mine does it to me only once in a while, it will crank but wont start, if I keep cranking it eventualy turns on after like 5 minutes.

I changed my starter too, and it was not that. some one told me that it could be a timing issue, fuel or spark. mine dosent do it to me all the time just once in a blue moon.

good luck.

Damn, I hope my motor ain't seized.

WeazG20 said:
You checked all the grounds in the started circuit? Given that's it is a p11 I would have checked battery and starter first too...

Starter body is the ground. Current battery is at 12.3v. The other battery was at 12.7v. I don't think its the battery

tampa

· #5 · Sep 24, 2013

maybe it's the dizzy.

j-tek

Discussion Starter · #6 · Sep 24, 2013

care package to the guy who gives me the fix. get your ideas in

j-tek

Discussion Starter · #7 · Sep 24, 2013

tampa said:
maybe it's the dizzy.

Not dizzy related since crank ain't turning

bladesz42

· #8 · Sep 24, 2013

I dont know if this sounds stupid but maybe the positive battery cable is going bad? like rotting from the inside out?

Dane

· #9 · Sep 24, 2013

Jump direct to starter motor with key in run position. She will fire. Then trace for crappy cable.

j-tek

Discussion Starter · #10 · Sep 24, 2013

Dane said:
Jump direct to starter motor with key in run position. She will fire. Then trace for crappy cable.

I'll try that Dane.

G20Tyler

· #11 · Sep 24, 2013

Did you check your plugs? Insulators to dizzy cap, how about checking your ecu connection make sure its snug into the harness?

Greenless

· #12 · Sep 24, 2013

starter solenoid could have a corroded connector if the starter wont turn. i had a bad solenoid that was preventing my p10 from starting. give it a sniff, you will know if its bad by the smell.

Snickers

· #13 · Sep 24, 2013

I have found that on a lot of cars these days, the connector from the harness to the starter (the small wire) it will have a bad connection and have a voltage drop and will not click the starter over. sometimes you wont even hear a click. I always cut the old connector of the harness and install a new spade terminal.

Also, check the ground cable. If it has started to corrode and or turn green, then it is toast and you probably need another one.

I agree with dane, key on, jump the power to the starter solenoid directly, if that does not work, then check the ground and or add another good one to be sure.

trbobrk

· #14 · Sep 25, 2013

Snickers said:
I have found that on a lot of cars these days, the connector from the harness to the starter (the small wire) it will have a bad connection and have a voltage drop and will not click the starter over. sometimes you wont even hear a click. I always cut the old connector of the harness and install a new spade terminal.

Also, check the ground cable. If it has started to corrode and or turn green, then it is toast and you probably need another one.

I agree with dane, key on, jump the power to the starter solenoid directly, if that does not work, then check the ground and or add another good one to be sure.

This. Voltage is way too low for the solenoid. I'd jump it and see what happens. If the starter, wires, and connections seem good, might be the ignition switch. There are a bunch of connections though, could be any of them.

j-tek

Discussion Starter · #15 · Sep 25, 2013

trbobrk said:
This. Voltage is way too low for the solenoid. I'd jump it and see what happens. If the starter, wires, and connections seem good, might be the ignition switch. There are a bunch of connections though, could be any of them.

I measured solenoid signal wire in "start" mode. Was getting 9-10v in start and goes back to 0v on acc

What I wasn't able to verify though was the constant 12v on the starter itself. Maybe thats not getting enough power.

DMSentra

· #16 · Sep 25, 2013

G20Tyler said:
Did you check your plugs? Insulators to dizzy cap, how about checking your ecu connection make sure its snug into the harness?

None of this has anything to do with slow cranking issues.

itinifni

· #17 · Sep 25, 2013

Could the harmonic balancer be broken? I.E. the inner piece turns, but the outer piece stays still? Or could the crankshaft be broken?

j-tek

Discussion Starter · #18 · Sep 25, 2013

After 1 day of brainstorming, It might be the fidanza that failed. Will confirm later today or tomorrow.

j-tek

Discussion Starter · #19 · Sep 26, 2013

So my hunch was right. My "no start" issue was due to a fubard fidanza. Ring gear broke off of the aluminum body....in the hunt for a replacement now

Thanks for the input fellas. Greatly appreciated

Dane

· #20 · Sep 26, 2013

How old is the FW?

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